Outlaws issue with Florida VTX riders patch

[OvErKiLL]

if you have this patch read the rest.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/OvErKiLL99/jacket010.jpg

this past wednesday at a local family bar and grill in jax called buffola's bike nite event,
two local VTX riders were approached by Outlaws and Black Pistons MC members
and asked to remove their vest with the black 12" VTx riders patch.
seems we need premission from these clowns to wear a honda vtx brand logo'd patch with
Florida on it. so be aware that the Outlaws think we are a growing MC with several states wearing same patch
and threatening their territory.

we are invader out to take over the state i guess.

anyway please be aware of this, it is posted on the other vtx forums by the two that were approached.
on the florida first coast vtx riders section.

[Scotrod]

Hmm. Interesting info for those of you who do the vest/patch thing.

Me, I'm just me. No vest, no patches. To each his own.

Kinda sucks that there was 'friction' over a patch at a family bar and grill, though.

[thundrhd]

http://http://www.vtxcafe.com/gallery/data/500/medium/DSCN1075.JPG

Would any mc have a prob with this?

[OvErKiLL]

probably not cause it doesn't have a national, state or city giving it a territorial geographic.

but it is all major stupidity, because my patch and over state patches don't have a mc or rc, it is a brand logo patch.
we are not a club, just riders. these bone heads are just that bone heads.

[Steve H.]

A friend of mine was a president of a local club and he told me patches must be approved by local clubs. If they feel it is in deed a club they will take the patch and burn them. You will need their permission to ware the patch and or start a club. Some of these guys can be a little crazy so be careful when approached.

[OvErKiLL]

anyone with common sense can see it is just a Honda VTX logo patch, it is not a club.

we have no clubhouse, no mc or rc on the patch like 99% of all the rc and mc clubs have on their back patches.

they're just being assholes, the biggest thing is i'm not up for a criminal tellin' me what i as a true citizen can or can't wear.

and as the punkasses they are, you have to fight their entire cult following if you have one scrap with one of them.

it sucks and sucks the law can't do anything with them, and the history channel is glorifying them more or less with the gangland series.
them and all the frickin' thug gangs across this nation.

sorry for venting but it really does suck. i pack 2 extra hi-cap clips in my saddlebags now when i set out to ride.:icon_pist
and yes i still wear my vest or jean jacket with the vtx patch on them.

be safe, ride the same.

Larry

[Bubba1962]

Once again, a 'group' of punks. Get them alone, one on one, and they run like little willy's.

Just ANOTHER reason I carry a Glock 27!!

Bubba

[Dapper]

Haven't received anything but compliments when I wear my jacket. I guess there can always be a first and I will probably laugh when it happens.

http://www.vtxcafe.com/gallery/data/600/wet_one.jpg

[Scotrod]

Doesn't this 'territory' thing all start with back when they were wanna be gang bangers with spray cans?

Turf, territory, (can't wear) patches, colors, prospecting, repping,,, Good Grief! That particular social system is SOOOOOO archaic, but still alive today. (Unlike a lot of their 'members'!)

I guess I'm destined to be destroyed! My jeans will probably be the wrong shade of blue, and my all-gray single-pocket Tee-Shirt will most definately cause trouble!

Is it any wonder I'm most at peace when I'm the furthest away from humans?

[Diesel]

Please you guys be careful. This is serious business to these folks. Jacksonville has alot going on right now, so if you're going to frequent places that MC's frequent you need to make sure you show the respect they request. If you are wanting a patch, the main thing is no type of territory shown on it. But in some places any large patch of any type may not be accepted.

Here is a link that may help some. Ride safe.


http://lifestylerider.com/html/body_outlaw_clubs_101.html

[TK421]

Doesn't this 'territory' thing all start with back when they were wanna be gang bangers with spray cans?

Turf, territory, (can't wear) patches, colors, prospecting, repping,,, Good Grief! That particular social system is SOOOOOO archaic, but still alive today. (Unlike a lot of their 'members'!)

I guess I'm destined to be destroyed! My jeans will probably be the wrong shade of blue, and my all-gray single-pocket Tee-Shirt will most definately cause trouble!

Is it any wonder I'm most at peace when I'm the furthest away from humans?

Got to agree with that. Hard to get past simple-minded thugs. I'm happy to ride with several groups and we all just go out for fun. Sure we give eachother sh*t for things like riding a Ducati or a Kawasaki or some other silly reason, but and the end of the day, we're all just happy to be out riding.

People who are so desperate to belong, or feel empowered soley at the expense of others really need to revisit their life choices and motivations.

While it has always been easier to destroy than to create, I continue to appreciate creativity, social integration, and intellectual bridge builders.

Simply and sappily put, "Why can't we all just get along?"

[coopi]

probably not cause it doesn't have a national, state or city giving it a territorial geographic.

but it is all major stupidity, because my patch and over state patches don't have a mc or rc, it is a brand logo patch.
we are not a club, just riders. these bone heads are just that bone heads.
Tell the next one you see, he's a bone head..............
It'll take an army of Dr's to put the bones back in your head..
Me.........I see the guys I look the other way
Coopi

[thundrhd]

++++ coopi!! These guys are some bad a$$es!! They will not hesitate to kill you over a color,territory, or a (silly)patch!!!. I have done some research on this and this is some serious sh!!t. I just wanted to be sure I wouldn't cause a problem with my VTX Riders patch, it doesn't look like it will offend any one with no States, Cities, or Counties on a rocker. Better to be way safe than way sorry!

[Scotrod]

Hmmm.

I read Diesels link. Pretty informative for a 'non-club'er like me.

I guess it helps to 'figure out' what all the hubub is about.

Still reads/seems like a time warp,,, like a bad 1950's science-fiction/ documentary,,,

Glad I'm not a part of any of that. Going to keep it that way, too! :D

[jasontrouble]

What these people really mean by "respect" is "fear." They're nothing more than bullies who never wanted to grow up or learn what is common sense behavior for a person living in society. They get off on being "1%" and so original yet like all subcultures, they're just fashioning and modelling themselves to meet a pre-established image. Vest and patch, check. Leather everything, check. Harley, check. Facial hair, check. The list goes on. It's not really any different than 13 year old girls trying to be like Britney Spears or whoever the new sensation is.

Having an issue with others' patches/vests/shoelaces/underwear is just an excuse to exhibit the shitty behavior that's festering inside them. I think it's more of an excuse to beat someone up rather than a true issue of respect. Now if you wore a patch that said "Generic Evil Motorcycle Gang Name Here Sucks Balls" I could see why they'd be upset; while still I would say that if I ever saw a jacket that said I sucked, I would find it pretty damn funny. Then again, I have a certain level of intelligence.

Nothing worse than a bully, and the world is full of them.

[rodent042]

Now if you wore a patch that said "Generic Evil Motorcycle Gang Name Here Sucks Balls" I could see why they'd be upset

Holy crap! That was great and it caught me completely off guard. Now I have to clean the dang soda off the front of the monitor :D

[Scotrod]

they're just fashioning and modelling themselves to meet a pre-established image. Vest and patch, check. Leather everything, check. Harley, check. Facial hair, check. The list goes on. It's not really any different than 13 year old girls trying to be like Britney Spears.



LOL! I like it!

If you can't be yourself, then be somebody else!

Feel the LOVE!!!! Feel the RESPECT!!!!! Feel the 'whatever it is you think your missing'!

The only thing I'm missing is winning lotto numbers! :D

[Smokey27]

All of this only reinforces my desire to buy my own little island so I can get away from this thing we call a society. I guess that is why I ride alone, don't get me wrong I enjoy the company of people I just don't need to deal with everybody else's baggage, I have enough of my own to deal with. Once I went for a ride with 2 of my co worker. They started playing leap frog on a straight stretch of road so I joined in. Big mistake, mister macho on his Harley almost tore me a new orifice & the look in his eye's .... thought I was going to die right there (Later found out he's Bipolar). Lets just say I'll NEVER ride anywhere near him again.
It's the same thing with the HAND WAVE. I use to wave to everybody as soon as I saw a bike approaching. Then feel like an idiot when the gesture wasn't returned. Any more, I'll return one if offered but I'm out here to enjoy myself not to worry who's going to wave to me or what patch I'm wearing. I ride what I ride & wave to whom ever I please and I wear what ever the heck I feel like. Besides if I buy something on the open market then I would assume there is no patient or territorial infringement.
Maybe I need to check into anger management classes because all these people issues really p*ss me off. Rant Ended

[Scotrod]

Well, they may be called 1% 'ers, but isn't it more like 0.0000001% nowadays?????

[timlea]

Don't you guys have any stories with other run ins with biker gangs?


Mine:

When I was about 17, I had a old Yamaha 650 I rode everywhere. A buddy of mine and myself frequented a biker bar to play pool (never asked our age and apparently didn't care as long as we had money).

We went to the bar early afternoon on a Friday (must have been parent teacher conference or something), to shoot some stick an have a few beers. We were the only guys there when we got there, and yet after about an hour, to giant Outlaw bikers (I knew most of them, but not these guys) came up to us and asked which one of us owned the riceburnner parked next to their colors.

Mind you there were no bikes there but mine and my buddy's Chevy Nova when we got there. This got my scruff up a bit, but after seeing a few bar fights with the regular Outlaw guys, I decided it would be best to go outside and move my bike to the end of the parking lot to avoid confusion, or getting my face caved in.

Moral of the story: You never know whom you're dealing with, and an unfamiliar face is the worst kind when you befreind people like these. I pretty sure the Outlaw guys I knew would have told their brother to give me a break (but they weren't there), better safe than sorry!

[Scotrod]

Eh, more stories, well, kinda,,, mine is kinda weird,,,back in semi rural Iowa 20+ years ago,,,

The Sons of Silence in Iowa were kinda cheesed off at me back when I was driving my car like a complete teenage fool.
(I worked with a 'member' at the time.)

I guess they were pretty unhappy that I was driving unsafely in their 'town' . (I was, there and most everywhere else I went!)

Long story, but according to my co-worker, he saw a 'herd' of them heading to my 'hometown' with 'colors' on one night as he was heading home,,, He knew something was up,,,

ANYWAY, he understood that they were out to 'find' a guy who drives a certain model/color of car, (i.e. blue camaro, etc) Co worker originally thought it was actually someone else in our town who drove a car similar in model and color to mine. But that made no sense as I'd never seen 'that' guy there and I was in 'their' town every weekend. It was me they were lookin for.
"Probably would have went 'swimming' " is what my coworker predicted would have happened if they caught up with me that night. (Doesn't sound like fun! LOL!)
In the meantime, while they were in 'my' town looking for me, I was 40 miles away in 'their' town at a kegger!
Shortly after I arrived, a friend of mine that went with me to the party told me that we needed to leave, that people were 'mad' at me. (I'm kinda like WTF, I just got here!!??!!)
Whatever, we left and went elsewhere.

I never met the 'Sons'that night, and they never did 'try again' to find me.

I heard about it mostly after the fact from my coworker. He also informed me that I was now on 'stage one' probation, or some other wierd schtit.
Couldn't go to a certain restaraunt (A "Family" restaraunt in rural Iowa, musta been their secret lair!) unless i was by myself or with a lady friend on the weekends {WTF!!??!!} and some other BS (I can't remember) that had no bearing on me or my habits in any way, shape, or form at the time!!!! I thought it was pretty crazy, and none of it affected my plans.

Anyway, over time, the 'beer was gettin hot and the women were getting cold' in 'that' town, so we party'ed elsewhere.
Never did hear anymore about it from the 'sons' or my coworker,,,,

I will say, they were NOT completely unjustified in their 'concern' about me/my driving. I do remember doing a 'power brake' burnout directly behind a motorcycle while stopped at a stoplight in 'their' town,,,, Dude turned around and just kinda looked at me like I was nuts and then took off when the light turned green,,,,,

Maybe that had something to do with it , Dunno.

It's been 20+ years,,,, I wonder if I'm off 'probation' yet! :D LOL!!!

[timlea]

It's been 20+ years,,,, I wonder if I'm off 'probation' yet! :D LOL!!!


Some of these guys have memories like elepahnts. I hadn't been back to my home town in 10 years, and hadn't hug out with those guys in nearly 15 years.

We went back recently 2005 I think (I left there in 1991), and went bar hopping with some hometown friends. We went to the new hangout (the old one burned down), and guys named things like Wrench, Potato, Loki, Butch, Gears, Hairy, Pigpen, and Jeff, acted like I never left. Weird.

Of the people whom I didn't know, they were really pressing my buttons (expecially this newbies oldlady), until the other guys told them to lay off.

Another face cavein avoided.

[OvErKiLL]

Some of these guys have memories like elepahnts. I hadn't been back to my home town in 10 years, and hadn't hug out with those guys in nearly 15 years.

We went back recently 2005 I think (I left there in 1991), and went bar hopping with some hometown friends. We went to the new hangout (the old one burned down), and guys named things like Wrench, Potato, Loki, Butch, Gears, Hairy, Pigpen, and Jeff, acted like I never left. Weird.

Of the people whom I didn't know, they were really pressing my buttons (expecially this newbies oldlady), until the other guys told them to lay off.

Another face cavein avoided.

i went back to my old stompin' grounds after a very very long hiatus, walked in the old bar
and heard larry, sodapop, squirrelly(i was treeman) and overkill. you'd of thought 4 people had walked in instead of one:D
it is funny how somethings never change.

[coopi]

Well me ,Larry,Moe , Curley went to and old hangout with the Osmond Brothers, The Allman Brothers, the Doobie brothers, The statler Brothers and got in a big barfight with The Mothers of invention and thier crew..man what a mess that was......
AHHH the old days
Coopi

[dajaha]

Maybe since it was a VTX patch, the outlaws were just embarassed that you were riding a superior machine? And they didn't want everybody else to make fun of them because of the puddle of oil under their bikes. I suspect they just felt outclassed.

[tmichael23]

It is really to bad that the old time gang mentality is still around when in reality all we want to do is ride and have fun. Go figure.

[Marty W]

I was riding down I-5 south thru LA yesterday and saw about 20- 24 Hells Angels riding along, When I got home i was watching the local news they were saying that 100's of Mongols had came into San Diego for a meeting and that they were expecting the Angels to make a showing to protect thier turf. The news reported that the bad blood started between then back in the 70's over who had the right to wear the California rocker on thier colors.
I think that every LEO in San Diego is on alert this weekend:harder:

[finder216]

In September of 2003, there was "a guy" working for Big Dog Motorcycles, in Wichita Kansas, who started wearing a baseball had that said, "Support Your Local Bandidos Worldwide". Well, two of Wichita's El Forasteros didn't appreciate that and after waiting for him to get off work, confronted the guy, who promptly shot and killed one of them and wounded the other. The guy went to trial and was found not guilty (had claimed self defense, but the prosecutor said, "how could it be self defense when he shot them in the back, while they were running for their lives)...he was fired from Big Dog Motorcycles though, because he was carrying a concealed weapon on their property.
(link to above story http://bnarch.obworld.com/getoutlawnews.cfm?article=737) (http://bnarch.obworld.com/getoutlawnews.cfm?article=737)

This is the only problem I've heard of happening in south central Kansas, but it goes to show that it can happen anywhere. Buy the way, the guy that was wearing the hat was trying to make a statement and had been "warned" previously not to wear the had.

Kansas is now a concealed carry state. That being said, I don't wear a vest or jacket that advertises any group or manufacture, but if I did and "someone" pointed out to me that it was not a good idea...well...I think I'd just have to stop wearing it. You have to pick your battles and clothing is not a battle I want to risk my life, or my loved ones lives for.

On a totally separate issue, I don't like bullies either.

[Marty W]

You (http://You) have to pick your battles and clothing is not a battle I want to risk my life

Well said.. Ride and let Ride.:choppersm