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I have read a lot on the positive side of the pair mod. However has anyone experienced any negatives with this? Is there anything I should be on the lookout for?
 

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Yes the pipes sound better and all the neighbors are pissed at you for rapping out the pipes.

Vacuum leak is the main one due to the write up on just capping off the tee, best to replace the line and remove the tee.
 

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All that extra room relieves you of an excuse to NOT work on your bike.
I'm not seeing a negative point there
 

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I'm not seeing a negative point there

Well, if you have all that crap around your engine it may make a convenient excuse to avoid working on your bike since it is so much more work with all that junk in the way. If you don't like to work on your bike doing the PAIR removal will remove that excuse from your list of excuses.

Or, if you really LIKE working on your bike rather than riding it will take a lot longer to do things like valve adjustments so you will be able to spend that much more time doing something you enjoy.

See? :cheers:

(In other words, I don't see any reason to NOT do it, especially if you do much/any work on your bike yourself.)
 

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Well, if you have all that crap around your engine it may make a convenient excuse to avoid working on your bike since it is so much more work with all that junk in the way. If you don't like to work on your bike doing the PAIR removal will remove that excuse from your list of excuses.

Or, if you really LIKE working on your bike rather than riding it will take a lot longer to do things like valve adjustments so you will be able to spend that much more time doing something you enjoy.

See? :cheers:

(In other words, I don't see any reason to NOT do it, especially if you do much/any work on your bike yourself.)
Okay Okay, :rolleyes: I guess there is absolutely no reason NOT to do it. Dimpled covers are on the way. Thanks for all of the feedback! :cheers:

9K miles snuck up on me so I'm overdue to check my valve adjustment anyway. I'll probably hit it at the same time I have the tank off for the pair removal. I might even install the permenant AF screw while I'm at it. I just hate doing too much at one time in case something goes wrong. Now I just need a rainy day to take this on. Riding season is precious and I don't want my bike apart for any of it.
 

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:eek: There is always the 9pm - 3am time slot............:coffee:
Very true - but I think that would make Mama one unhappy camper :nono:. And if she isn't happy, I'm certainly not happy. :icon_eek:
 

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The only negative is the legal aspect of it. Some states have regulations against modifying ANY part of the emissions systems, which would include the PAIR system. Even with that being said, I am going to remove mine and I live in the state with the most draconian emissions crap: california
 

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The only negative is the legal aspect of it. Some states have regulations against modifying ANY part of the emissions systems, which would include the PAIR system. Even with that being said, I am going to remove mine and I live in the state with the most draconian emissions crap: california
Removing or modifying the factory exhaust is also illegal if you want to get picky...But I have yet to see the "exhaust police" show up at my door to slap my hand....lol...:D
 

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The only negative is the legal aspect of it. Some states have regulations against modifying ANY part of the emissions systems, which would include the PAIR system. Even with that being said, I am going to remove mine and I live in the state with the most draconian emissions crap: california
I would have thought that only in CA or possibly CO, it may affect the emissions testing, but if someone in CA has no probs, I'd say no there are none. All it does is inject air into the exhaust to help burn any fuel that may still be expelled as liquid. Alos creates a weird gurgle if you have aftermarket exhaust.
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I would have thought that only in CA or possibly CO, it may affect the emissions testing, but if someone in CA has no probs, I'd say no there are none. All it does is inject air into the exhaust to help burn any fuel that may still be expelled as liquid. Alos creates a weird gurgle if you have aftermarket exhaust.
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Don't forget rejeting is also a no no:)
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Well I finally got it done. I received my dimpled plates and Glens permenant AF screw. I couldn't be happier with the service and the nice polished finish on the plates. I'm not sure anyone will ever really see them but I know they are there and they look nice. The AF screw was well made and looked like it should do it's job well. I pulled the tank for the first time and got er done in about 1 hour and 45 minutes including one tirp to the parts store for vacuum line and installing Glens Permenant AF screw. I figured I might as well do that while I had the tank off. From what I've read the vacuum lines needed to be replaced anyway so I did that too.

The bike fired right up and purred like a kitten without any choke. 2 1/2 turns out with Glens screw. The pipes sound a whole lot better.

By the way it stays running a lot longer when you remember to turn the fuel back on. "DOH" :banghead:

(I pulled the plugs out of the pipes that I had in because I wasn't happy with the sound after doing the Clayton mod previously) Now It sounds much better and I think the plugs will stay in their drawer for good.

I took it out for a ride and she runs great. I took it on some 2 lane twisy turneys and also the interstate. I even tried to get it to backfire by keeping partial throttle during decel and couldn't get it to backfire once. That weird gurgling sound is finally gone too. It no longer sounds like the "Jetsons Car". I couldn't be happier with the results.

Thanks to everyone for all of the advice. I did my homework before taking this project on and it went without a single hitch. ahem,, except forgetting to turn the fuel back on. DOH! This forum and the great people contributing to it have helped me a ton.

Also props to Glens VTX Garage and VTX-parts.com for great service and products.

Now off to bike night at the Brass Rail
 

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Well, if you have all that crap around your engine it may make a convenient excuse to avoid working on your bike since it is so much more work with all that junk in the way. If you don't like to work on your bike doing the PAIR removal will remove that excuse from your list of excuses.

Or, if you really LIKE working on your bike rather than riding it will take a lot longer to do things like valve adjustments so you will be able to spend that much more time doing something you enjoy.

See? :cheers:

(In other words, I don't see any reason to NOT do it, especially if you do much/any work on your bike yourself.)
After riding and servicing a goldwing for a while my VTX is simple to work on.
 

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I can only think of one. You'll no longer pop and fart like a Harley with aftermarket pipes!
 

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some of us enjoy a good gurgling pop on occasion gets cagers attention, but that said I have the plates on my 1800
 
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