[Retro Rich]

Ok, don't get too excited on the title of this thread BAK lovers. Just as an FYI, wanted to let you guys out there watching for a post on my experimentation with jetting that it will probably be at least another couple of weeks. I had to cancel my order with Rage Performance yesterday--almost 3 weeks and they still couldn't get my 200 MJ shipped out. Talked to the guys at FactoryPro today (BTW, liked them over the phone--hopefully they're f/u and service is good--I'll keep you posted on that as well). They're Keihin mains are 1/2 the price of Rage's according to the guy on the phone today. Anyway, I'm having a 198, 200 and 205 sent to me and should have them in the next week and installed somethime in the next 2 weeks and find my right set-up.

I'll post BAK (hahahaha--that's just too damn corny) when I have found the right set-up on mine to give you guys something to go off of.

RR

 

[cybrhick]

I'm just waiting to see what you think of the screw.:bleh:

 

[BigT]

Rich, I am still wondering about the jet size at sea level, high humidty, high temp. I am using the DJ 210 and it is better than the stock 195 but still seems a little lean. I am going to leave it in there and see if it changes much during our extremes down here. T.

 

[Scar]

Rich, I am still wondering about the jet size at sea level, high humidty, high temp. I am using the DJ 210 and it is better than the stock 195 but still seems a little lean. I am going to leave it in there and see if it changes much during our extremes down here. T.

BigT: Get the same setup Rich is getting and you will have all bases covered.. 198, 200, 205... that would be the "complete" jet set...

Rich: Yep FP is about half price from anyone else that I've seen advertise... I think they all buy them from FP and then mark them up??? :cheers:

 

[BigT]

Hey guys correct me if I'm wrong here. I have been thinking that the lower the altitude, higher temp and humidy would make the bike run richer. I was lying in bed thinking about when I used to fly airplanes. The higher the altitude I went to the leaner I would have to adjust the carb mixture. That being said, as the temp and humidty rises I would need to fatten the carb up,go to a larger jet, rather than lean it. Is that right? So guys/gals living at higher altitudes actually can get by with a slightly smaller jet size? T.

 

[Retro Rich]

I'm just waiting to see what you think of the screw.:bleh:

I know, waiting to install until I re-jet--no need to go in there more than once if I don't have to. I'll definitely do a write-up once I get it in.

Rich: Yep FP is about half price from anyone else that I've seen advertise... I think they all buy them from FP and then mark them up??? :cheers:

That's what I'm thinking as well; ordered some pilots from Rage in the past and didn't have a problem. Thinking now that those guys certainly don't keep much around. From now on, it will be FactoryPro for me.

Hey guys correct me if I'm wrong here. I have been thinking that the lower the altitude, higher temp and humidy would make the bike run richer. I was lying in bed thinking about when I used to fly airplanes. The higher the altitude I went to the leaner I would have to adjust the carb mixture. That being said, as the temp and humidty rises I would need to fatten the carb up,go to a larger jet, rather than lean it. Is that right? So guys/gals living at higher altitudes actually can get by with a slightly smaller jet size? T.

BigT, here's the way to look at it simply...higher the altitude, air is less "dense" with oxygen so as you're taking in less burnable O2, you need less fuel. Therefore, you're mixture will fatten in higher altitudes if you don't make any adjustments. Depending on the altitude, conceivably someone living at a higher altitude could go with a smaller jet size. Usually the difference is going to come in adjusting A/F in most cases, unless there is quite a significant difference in altitude. Getting it jetted properly for the majority of your "riding altitude" is where you need to be; changes that happen during a ride will make a slight difference, but usually not enough to worry about that much. With that being said, every bike is different as well and what works for one might not work for another. When I get mine "set" where I feel it's right, just use it as a guideline and not a "bible" per say. It may be spot on for you, may not be--but, it should hopefully get some of us in the ballpark.

 

[BMiracleTX]

Higher altitude, hotter air temperature, and increased humidity all will require less fuel (high altitude and higher air temp are less dense, while high humidity decreases available O2 per volume due to the increased moisture taking up space)

Long story short, if living at high altitude, in high temperatures, or in high humidity, then you will nead to lean the carb up, otherwise the A/F mixture will be too rich and vice versa.

Bottom line though is this...set A/F to where your plugs look right, that is the easy way to go. If the plugs look lean, add fuel, if they look rich, take away fuel.

 

[Green Ghost]

Hummm

Rich I just knew you were going to jump in there with your bike pulling the front wheel in third gear. No JETS ??? What a bummer!!! GG

 

[BigT]

Ok, I am an easy sell. I called factory Pro to order some larger jets and I let them sell me one of their kits. The guy tells me that with their needle and the stock spring that you use a 220 main and a 58 pilot. He said the stock spring eliminates mid throttle stutter. I am going to try their kit and see what happens. Add another $69. there is no end to this madness. T.

 

[Scar]

Ok, I am an easy sell. I called factory Pro to order some larger jets and I let them sell me one of their kits. The guy tells me that with their needle and the stock spring that you use a 220 main and a 58 pilot. He said the stock spring eliminates mid throttle stutter. I am going to try their kit and see what happens. Add another $69. there is no end to this madness. T.

DAMN, DAMN, DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You must have not been ONE of the ones I warned against that... THE KIT SUCKS................. 220 main is total bs... that would be like a 233 DJ... couple that with the 58 pilot and ya got real problems... PLUS as I recall their "kit" ONLY GOES DOWN TO A 210 (Oh yea, 210 to 250 every "5")... The needle is fine... the spring you have already cut... ya still going to need the RIGHT SIZED jets (200 most likely, no more than a 205)... Man oh man.. oh well, it's only money right???

DO WHAT RICH IS DOING, HE IS DOING THE RIGHT THING.

FP sells a good product, but I have heard this time and time again, they got some clown that answers the phone sometimes that must be on commission... he sure as hell isn't a mechanic and damned well doesn't have a clue about the 1300 VTX engine... 220:nope:... :harder::harder::harder::harder::harder:

I need a beer :beer::beer::beer::beer:
:spank::spank:

OK you're the guinnea pig... do everything the FP pimple faced kid told ya to do and we will see how it runs... or IF it runs... I need an Excedrine.

 

[BigT]

Ok, Scar so you say this doesn't work. I have not seen this mentioned here so I thought it was something new. I actually called back to order the 200,205,and 210 jets and the guy talked me out of it. So what do I do now? I guess I could refuse it and just order the jets but I will probably be blacklisted and they will not sell me the jets seperately. You have dealt with this company before, what do you think? I am getting tired of taking my carb apart and just want to get it right with the leeast amount of additional work. T.

 

[Retro Rich]

T,

Follow what Scar is saying--he knows what he's doing...trust me. He is very wise grasshopper! Just call back, get the mains we're talking about, make sure you've got a 58 pilot. Or, just cancel your order and wait for me to get done with my "tweaking" so you have something to go by with yours. It will save you some bucks. If you have trouble re-ordering, I'll call in and talk to Marc at Factory Pro and get it straight for you. Just be patient--you're bike is running, leave it as is for now and use what we're/I'm trying to do here.

 

[Scar]

Ok, Scar so you say this doesn't work. I have not seen this mentioned here so I thought it was something new. I actually called back to order the 200,205,and 210 jets and the guy talked me out of it. So what do I do now? I guess I could refuse it and just order the jets but I will probably be blacklisted and they will not sell me the jets seperately. You have dealt with this company before, what do you think? I am getting tired of taking my carb apart and just want to get it right with the leeast amount of additional work. T.

BigT: I guess that you are ONE OF THE FEW that can read instructions and work on your bike You have only followed what you have seen on "these pages"... I get "PM's" all the time from various forums about "advanced" tuning procedures and that is what I was refering to... I usually only bring out the dirty laundry about FP in PM's, but since you got screwed then now it is out in the open... Yep, I'd attempt to cancel the order and order only what you need... the 200, 205 and if you want it the 210, but I personally think the 210 would be way too much... You most likely have already installed a "short spring" whether it be the DJ spring or cutting down your own, so you don't need the spring... IF you want the FP needle, then that would be something to "play" with and you could order it... the FP needle is slimmer than the Keihin needle and therefore flows even more fuel... if you run the FP needle then you may get away with the FP 200/needle and shortened spring. (Others have run this combo)

I HAVE NOT delt with FP... I know several who have and that is how I know about the "sales pitch" and then having to end up using something that is not in the "kit"... If I had EVER delt with FP (and I intend on purchasing parts from them in the future), I would order ONLY what I need and when some clown on the other end of the phone started giving me some phoney balony about a 220 Keihin style jet I would first question him as to how many VTX 1300's he has tuned... or were he was getting such phoney information... or has he ever tuned ANY type of bike in his life and if so we would then get into an in depth discussion of that bike/engine and tuning procedure to determine if in fact he is telling the truth... cause this is a major rip-off... and you could use something along those lines when you talk to them to change your $70 order to a $12 order or something along those lines....

NO, If I had EVER delt with FP on the phone and recieved a response like you have then there would be a write-up in the Modifications page on this forum warning people about such practices... I have heard about this many times in PM's... FP does have good parts, but there is some jerk at the other end of the phone... at least SOMETIMES... sounds like Rich didn't run into that guy, but others have.

Change the order BigT and get the money difference refund.. do it now... If these guys want to continue to sell parts with a favorable "recommendation" then they will honor your request... You are new to tuning, I am not... and that is the difference... it just pisses me off to no end when some jerk takes advantage of people like yourself. :cheers:

 

[BigT]

Thanks for the advice guys. I will call them tomorrow and try to cancel. I hope they didn't ship yet. If they did I guess I could refuse it or send it back. T.

 

[Retro Rich]

... sounds like Rich didn't run into that guy, but others have.

Actually, the guy I had on the phone started to talk about the "full kit" to me after I told him the three jet sizes I wanted to order. I told him no thanks, don't need it and I know EXACTLY what I want so I don't need all the other stuff in the kit. I sure didn't get a feel he knew a thing about what I was trying to do when I was "chatting" with him..but, don't really care about that. As long as he just gets my order filled and shipped to my door quickly.

It's really just a matter of knowing what you want when you're going in to shop. Rage Performance can pull that crap too. They called me when they didn't have my 200 MJ in stock and had to order it. Tried to tell me I probably didn't need it. I replied "nothing for you to worry about, I know what I need." I told the guy to get it (he said it would only take 2-3 days); 3 weeks later still didn't have it (after I contacted them again with no further follow up on their behalf) which caused me to cancel my order. Last time I'll deal with them.

The one thing I didn't like about Factory Pro is that they don't have any way to order individual jets online. Marc e-mailed me back and said maybe he should consider online order, but he likes to "talk" to customers and give tech advice to make sure they're getting what they need. I didn't actually speak to Marc when I placed my order, and I sure hope he would be better than the guy I talked to.

RR

 

[barttoday]

Ok, don't get too excited on the title of this thread BAK lovers. Just as an FYI, wanted to let you guys out there watching for a post on my experimentation with jetting that it will probably be at least another couple of weeks. I had to cancel my order with Rage Performance yesterday--almost 3 weeks and they still couldn't get my 200 MJ shipped out. Talked to the guys at FactoryPro today (BTW, liked them over the phone--hopefully they're f/u and service is good--I'll keep you posted on that as well). They're Keihin mains are 1/2 the price of Rage's according to the guy on the phone today. Anyway, I'm having a 198, 200 and 205 sent to me and should have them in the next week and installed somethime in the next 2 weeks and find my right set-up.

I'll post BAK (hahahaha--that's just too damn corny) when I have found the right set-up on mine to give you guys something to go off of.

RR

Rich,

Sorry to hear of you probs. with Rage. I am biting at the bit to see what you find out about your bike with the new jets. Also, did you go with Hick's a/f thumb screw?? If so, what do you think?? Thanks for all of the help. My bike is running pretty good now, but I am anxious to open her up a little more and let it all hang out. :stirpot:

 

[Retro Rich]

Hey bart,

Haven't intalled Hick's A/F screw yet; waiting until I get my jets in and work on that so I can do it all at one time. I'll be hooking a tach up as well while I've got it all torn aport. I'll keep you posted.

RR

 

[motoman]

Hey bart,

Haven't intalled Hick's A/F screw yet; waiting until I get my jets in and work on that so I can do it all at one time. I'll be hooking a tach up as well while I've got it all torn aport. I'll keep you posted.

RR

Rich, whats the skinny on the hick's a/f screw?

 

[Retro Rich]

Haven't installed it yet, but looks to be very good quality. Look at Hick's website noted in his post above earlier in this thread. Easier to adjust and doesn't require a "d" tool once you get the old one out and put this one in it's place.

 

[Retro Rich]

Ok, got the 205 Keihin Main installed, 58 pilot back in there and also installed Cyberhick's A/F screw this morning. Put it all back together, can't road test it right now since it's pouring rain here and not looking to let up anytime soon. Fired it up though and throttle reaction through the revs seems to be good--just what the BAK wanted....more fuel!

I'll post back again once I road test it.