[LdyRdr]

Well, Even after plugs changed, cables checked, it's still doing it

What are the signs of a fuel pump going out?? Im hearing the POP even when i pull in my clutch... The decel pop is still happening as well. The problem im experiencing right now is this:

Im riding and it's fine at times (been told im bad at describing symptoms so forgive me if i am not 100% accurate on words).... But this is the thing, Im riding and the bike runs fine.. then out of the blue It will seem to hesitate (no specific speed), and it seems i need to keep higher RPM's to keep it going..

The Bike is a 2006 F Spec 2 1800 39k miles on it.

Also noticed that I am smelling a stronger than normal fuel smell... and when im idling that it sounds like a spinning rattle sound in the pipes.. am not sure if thats accurate on description or not.. but the problems are the hesitations and chugging slightly at different speed levels, (today i was at 68mph in 4th gear and no wheres near the rev limitor), Notice the pop from the pipes if i decel, or change gear, or if i pull in the clutch it will do a POP and smelling fuel.:banghead:

So is this a cramped line somewhere's or is this a fuel pump beginning to die on me??:banghead::hmm2::hmm2::hmm2:

Thanks,

 

[Charlie D]

might be the pressure regulator and I am not sure of the years where they are built into the fuel pump

 

[FISTer]

If I'm not mistaken, the external FPR was only on the 02 and 03 models. Maybe the 04 had it, but I'm not sure.

But yeah, that would be my guess. Pressure Regulator, or you may just be running too rich. I have a similar symptom at certain rpms b/c my mix is too rich. Sooner or later I'll get a PCIII to fix that, but for now I just live with it.

 

[tnvnl]

(today i was at 68mph in 4th gear and no wheres near the rev limitor), Notice the pop from the pipes if i decel, or change gear, or if i pull in the clutch it will do a POP and smelling fuel.:banghead:[/FONT]

I'll say it one more time, then I'm done.
At 68 miles per hour there is no reason to be in 4th gear. At that speed and gear selection, the engine is crying and screaming for a gear change.
This machine has 5 gears for a reason, anything about 50 MPH should be in 5th gear, with the only exception being to pass another vehicle.
Whats happening is this, at that speed in 4th gear, your engine becomes
"unloaded" you have a 45 pound crankshaft, huge pistons which at that rpm with no load everything becomes unstable similar to just holding the throttle open while setting still, it doesnt like it. It is an internal combustion engine, it is going to have some decel pop, this is a normal condition of a properly tuned engine. You can richen the fuel on the bottom end to eliminate it, but its not longer "properly tuned". I don't mean to sound like a dick, but I'm thinking you need to learn how to ride a big cruiser bike. They are designed with low RPM's in mind. Thats why they have a limiter set at about 5750RPM, this engine does not want to turn high rpm without being under a load.
Just cruising down the highway at normal speeds (60-80 MPH) this engine is basically under a no load situation, if you maintain that speed in 4th gear the engine is NOT happy, it wants to be in 5th gear. Whomever told you different does not know about cruiser engines. They are long stroke big bore engines that want to turn LOW RPM's (again exceptions passing, racing). I'm sorry for the rant, but I believe you are experiencing rider error troubles.
If I have offended you, I apologize sincerely.

 

[LdyRdr]

Ok I hear what you're saying and not offended really...I could care less if you think I need to learn to ride a bigger cruiser, I handle mine just fine...I know quite a few guys who ride hard on their 1800 and rarely hit that 5th gear unless over 70+.....

How do I check for this pressure hose ??

Thanks

 

[DrOmega]

Hi Ldy,

Is there any possibility there's a vacuum leak?

- dave

 

[drparkwood]

I checked a couple of Honda OEM parts sites and it does not look like your '06 1800 F has the Fuel Pressure Regulator. As mentioned earlier, the FPR is on the '02 - '04. visit http://www.californiavtxriders.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=32640 to see where and what to check.

Doug

 

[doug48317]

I handle mine just fine...I know quite a few guys who ride hard on their 1800 and rarely hit that 5th gear unless over 70+.....

I'm not trying to be a dick about it either and I'm certainly not going to tell someone how they should ride their own bike, but just because others do it to doesn't make it right. To each their own but these are not designed to be high reving cruising engines, you can run it up to the rev limiter between shifts with no issues but IMO to hold it in the upper range down the highway in a lower gear is just asking for problems. (That's the reason why you see so many people wanting a 6th gear)

Ok, back to the real reason for the thread... I do hope you find your problem.

 

[MPD193]

I don't think it's rider error with 37,000 miles in the seat. You said you had to keep higher Rpm's just to keep it running. Have you checked your plugs and wires carefully, If one is not firing then you might get the gas smell and hesitation you describe.



Re-read your other thread and you said you changed plugs so it's gotta be something simple. Just not that savvy on the 1800.

 

[tnvnl]

.I know quite a few guys who ride hard on their 1800 and rarely hit that 5th gear unless over 70+.....

Thanks

I'll bet most of those guys rode crotch rockets at some point in time and are used to hearing an engine scream.

 

[Charlie D]

Primary Reduction - 1.571 (55/35)

Gear Ratios -
1; 2.353 (40/17),
2; 1.333 (32/24),
3; 0.964 (27/28),
4; 0.813 (26/32),
5; 0.697 (23/33)

Final Reduction - 3.091 (34/11)

Don't let the guys give you crap on what gear you run in.

You can run at 70 in 3rd all day long and not hurt a thing.

I did a search and the pressure regulator is in the fuel pump, here is a write up by Big Larry on the California board.
http://www.californiavtxriders.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=35165

 

[LdyRdr]

azaace just checked the plug which was the right rear... and sure enough its black again, the other ones are fine he said.. Soooooooooo ....

And thank you.. I don't switch to 5th gear until i was 70+... if i am in 5th and at 65, it starts to bog down then i downshift and its fine... I have NEVER had an issue with the gears and I know my own bike, I know when to shift and not shift...

so what would be the case of ONE plug to turn black and others are ok???

 

[Charlie D]

Coil could be weak or the wire could be corroded where it connects to coil or plug boot.
Coil may also need to be pulled and the ground surface cleaned.

 

[mscales]

You could also have a bad plug wire. Sometimes when removing the cap the wire comes out of posistion and the end doesnt fit properly. You may have good coils but a bad wire or connection will cause the same problem. Pull the plug wire and look inside to see if the loop end is still where it should be.

 

[LdyRdr]

Bike is at the mechanics now..hope we find out now wsup.....sigh will post up once it is solved for future references.

 

[whiskeyrockr]

I'll say it one more time, then I'm done.
At 68 miles per hour there is no reason to be in 4th gear. At that speed and gear selection, the engine is crying and screaming for a gear change.
This machine has 5 gears for a reason, anything about 50 MPH should be in 5th gear, with the only exception being to pass another vehicle.
Whats happening is this, at that speed in 4th gear, your engine becomes
"unloaded" you have a 45 pound crankshaft, huge pistons which at that rpm with no load everything becomes unstable similar to just holding the throttle open while setting still, it doesnt like it. It is an internal combustion engine, it is going to have some decel pop, this is a normal condition of a properly tuned engine. You can richen the fuel on the bottom end to eliminate it, but its not longer "properly tuned". I don't mean to sound like a dick, but I'm thinking you need to learn how to ride a big cruiser bike. They are designed with low RPM's in mind. Thats why they have a limiter set at about 5750RPM, this engine does not want to turn high rpm without being under a load.
Just cruising down the highway at normal speeds (60-80 MPH) this engine is basically under a no load situation, if you maintain that speed in 4th gear the engine is NOT happy, it wants to be in 5th gear. Whomever told you different does not know about cruiser engines. They are long stroke big bore engines that want to turn LOW RPM's (again exceptions passing, racing). I'm sorry for the rant, but I believe you are experiencing rider error troubles.
If I have offended you, I apologize sincerely.

then don't ride with me, i don't hit 5th gear until 70-75+...after 37 years of motorcross, drag racing, and street riding, i'll ride the way i choose without someone telling me when to shift and if i wanted to know when to shift, i'd add an idiot light....it's a tough bike and can handle 70 in 4th with no problem and unless i'm at/above 70 i don't hit 5th gear...sorry if i've offended you :cheers:

 

[simpleman44]

Once I was on the highway with my son on the back for about a 20 mile stretch. I was doing 70-75 steady. I was in 4th the whole time but didn't realize it until I got off the freeway and started downshifting. The engine didn't seem to mind too much. Personally, I run mine up a bit higher before shifting. Smooths things out. If you shift too soon and try and keep increasing speed the tank shakes until the bike gets unloaded.

I've read that the bike shakes more at lower rpm acceleration due to the physics of the engine- big pistons, long stroke. Think about when you are on a bicycle and you get up off the seat and pump the pedals to get it moving. The bike goes from side to side until you get up to speed. This is because of the torque. Same thing with big 1800 v-twin rocket.

 

[HawaiiKane]

Just a couple of things. I've heard that they put two spark plugs in each cylinder for a reason, ie better firing pattern so if you have one plug that is fouledthen it is not firing properly and hence the poor performance. The other thing is about RPM's, I have a '02 1800C and a '06 1300S, first being Fuel Injected and the latter being carburated. When I ride my 1300 I can let the engine bog down in a higher gear and let the RPMs fall almost to idle and the accelerate fairly smoothly, where my 1800 if I get it too low in the RPMs it vibrates like a washing machine off ballance until the RPM get up above 2K. So for normal driving I like to keep my RPMs between 2-3K. I feel it puts too much starain on the eng at low RPMs. As for high RPMs it 's your bike and you should ride how ever you like, but my experience is the rougher you treat a machine the quicker it be rough on you. I know it will haul @$$ all the way to the Rev limiter, but why. Treat it well and it will treat you well. Just my $.02.

 

[BigJon]

Teri, you didn't take it back to Tim's place did you, or did you take it to Taz? Make sure the plug boot is screwed on all the way and the coil end is pushed in all the way by loosening the collar around the plug wire going into the coil. Pull the wire out of the coil and push it thru the collar about 1/4". Re-insert the wire and tighten the collar with pliers until snug. Don't over-tighten it, it's plastic and will break. If this doesn't fix it, replace the wire. Remove the bolts holding the coil to the frame and clean the metal clips on the ends of the coils. They rust.

 

[LdyRdr]

Jon its at taz's.....no word from him yet so I have. No idea what's wrong tim is the last person in hell that would ever touch my bike...or a dead goldfish for that. Matter..