On your person. Concealed carry for the win.

Carry your mother******* gun every mother******* place you go-
Gabe Suarez

 

I carry all the time lic. to carry in Arizona & most other states , would never secure my weapon on my bike...I know this dont answer your question its just my mind set,ill take the heat if caught in a hostle state.

 

Tank bag if you dont have a concealed.

 

I agree I carry wherever I can but it's breaking the law no matter what when you enter a bank for example and they have a "no gun sign" posted. I absolutely dislike the fact of certain places not allowing them but nevertheless I'm trying to come up with a rather safe solution to lock it up.

I was playing with the thought of putting something like a mini safe in the sissybar bag and somehow attaching/securing that to maybe the backrest? I don't know.

 

I agree I carry wherever I can but it's breaking the law no matter what when you enter a bank for example and they have a "no gun sign" posted. I absolutely dislike the fact of certain places not allowing them but nevertheless I'm trying to come up with a rather safe solution to lock it up.

I was playing with the thought of putting something like a mini safe in the sissybar bag and somehow attaching/securing that to maybe the backrest? I don't know.

10 years ago when i moved to Arizona from Pa. my wife & i went for the wk. end class to get our C.C Lic. question came up about cant carry in bank,post office etc.what do you do? the person giving the class asked ''do you read every posted sign''?As long as your weapon is concealed you should not have a problem,if you are confronted most likley you will be asked to vacate premesis.1st time if the police get involved you will get a warning.Cant confirm any of this just passing on what instructer said.

 

That is a good question. I can't conceive of a secure place on a bike unless you install a small safe or lock box welded to the frame...

On second thought. Maybe you could mount the box inside of your saddlebag in a small lock box that was bolted to the frame in conjunction with the mounts that hold the bags on.

 

The less attention you draw to your bike, the better. However, it stands to reason, if you have to secure your gun, a bike just isn't secure. If you have to go some place where you can't carry, your better off leaving it at home. Unfortunate as that may be.

 

a friend of mine mounted a pelican case to his removable luggage rack. doesn't use it for firearms (although he could).

 

So, let's take the "gun" aspect out of it and consider storing anything of value you have to have with you and need to store - the items and reasoning is not pertinent to the question or solution.

Bottom line is there's no easy fix.

A strong box with secure lock and hinges that includes a strong cable lock wrapped around the frame. This would have to be something you hid in your saddle bag with the cable lock hidden through a hole in the back (against the bike) portion of the saddlebag.

I would recommend only hard saddle bags with strong locks as well.

I would consider an alarm as well.

You will want as many deterrents as you can, but you don't want the deterrents to be obvious to the casual observer.

The downside is that if anyone knows of all your deterrents they are likely to figure out you have something of exceptional value stored. This makes storing the object even more important. If you do it in front of others, you're likely going to draw attention. Pulling into a garage to move it from your person to your bike may be necessary.

 

Basic problem is that no matter how/what your hiding method/place is on a bike you are open to view by anyone nearby to see what you are doing; kinda defeats the hiding safety when your actions broadcast that a weapon is hidden on the bike. At least in a car you can maybe be discreet. Oh, and by the way...where are those signs?? I was counting my money as I walked thru the door not paying much attention. :banghead:

 

I have a friend who took the Blackhawk serpa base and mounted it inside his leather saddle bag via bolt and then his holster just snapps in place inside the bag and he runs a cable gun lock thru an unused siderail bolt to secure it from theft.
There is no perfect answer but there are ways to do it.

 

There are those occasions where you have to stow away your firearm. Has anyone come up with a solution for locking it away on the bike?

Lockable fiberglass saddlebags is a very bad idea..

I like the lockable box in the side bags idea. It would need to be bolted or welded on in some fashion.

Of course if you go .50 cal or better you can just mount a tripod on the handlebars.

 

Motocycle Gun Holsters

Alright, here's a serious answer post for you to consider, and should keep you more than busy for awhile...

As most know, I always carry directly on my person when I ride (but even that varies depending on my destination and weapon(s) I'm carrying), however...

I do have a couple of these for my cage vehicles and when I'm on the beach or strolling in festival or touristy areas where I'm not dressed as I would be on my bike. I've seen and spoke with two other riders who use them mounted on their bikes and (if you scroll and read ALL the way through to the bottom of the web page) you'll see just how that might be possible. One had it mounted to the front of his saddle bag (R) and the other had it mounted to the leather faring he had covering the inside of his highway/crash bars. Very easy to use, definitely doesn't look like a holster, holds weapon securely, but has a REALLY quick draw once you practice with it a bit.

The SafePacker:
http://www.thewilderness.com/storepinnacle/index.php?p=catalog&parent=171&pg=1

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Now, then...

If your state allows the "open" configuration, you might want to check this bad boy out: http://www.phoenixbikers.com/lockingcycleholster.html

This HD forum thread brings up the subject and offers some suggestions and several photos: http://www.hdforums.com/forum/the-gun-enthusiast/187412-my-first-post-locking-gun-holster-on-my-ride.html

Here's something similar, but more "concealed", but you'd have to check with them about mounting on your X. http://www.public-safety-systems.com/lti_laser_holsters/lti_laser_holsters.htm

Here's something you could have custom made, but it's definitely "out there" http://www.custommade.com/motorcycle-holster-seat/by/tstarleather
One of these we've all seen on the web or at rallys is this one: http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2010/06/11/motorcycle-leather-saddle-seat-with-gun-holster/

Here's a Tank Bag holster (I sometimes throw a .38 in my tank bag already in a pocket holster, but that's a bit different from this): http://www.legendaryusa.com/Daytona-Gear-GB-Motorcycle-Tank-Bag-Gun-Holster-p/dggb.htm

Ram has a mount for a handle-bar holster. It sorta looks "out there" till you realize it's meant to be behind a windscreen. Then it seems more subtle. Definitely more "accessable": http://www.ram-mount.com/CatalogResults/PartDetails/tabid/63/partid/082065077045066045049052057090045071085078049085/Default.aspx

I've seen one fella utilizing this little job for his Glock 23. It's hangs on his out thigh similar to a thigh holster, only it's "concealed" as a modifed thigh/belt pack.: http://www.amazon.com/Motorcycle-Scooter-Enduro-Cycling-Fanny/dp/B004ALXPSO

Even better, and I've talked to three guys who have this one and use it when they don't want to wear a jacket for their Galco shoulder holsters, is this little number. Frankly, it looks VERY useful to me, this is a take on the modified military/SWAT tactical thigh holsters. Also very useful for those who ride solo with no bags. And I can't see how you can beat the price, plus it's still concealed. I'm giving this one some serious consideration myself. http://www.grabitpack.com/

These guys will create a mount for you bike for you if you supply the holster (check the fourth photo from the bottom - shows a S&W 442 Airweight .38): http://www.nineadiamonds.com/services

Sometimes you still need a holster to carry things OTHER than you gun (like cigars) but don't want it weighing your pants down. Then I recommend something like this... http://www.hellraiser-holster.com/bikerGallery.htm
(Give the site time to load up all the photos)

Well, I've got to get back to work. So see if those don't give you some ideas.

Off course there are still the classic shoulder, back pocket, IWB and vest holsters, but they are more on your person than on your bike (not that those thigh variations aren't either).

Have fun, good luck and show us with photos what you eventually do.

:choppersm

 

DAMN, Cage! atriot:atriot:atriot:

Thanks man, reading all of it now.

 

DAMN, Cage! atriot:atriot:atriot:

Thanks man, reading all of it now.

Geez Cage, another flippant, vague and unhelpful answer... :bleh:

Seriously though great info.

If I get inspired, have most of the info at hand or know exactly where to look AND I think it might help others later, then I do what I can to provide as much info as possible.

It was that VERY sort of thing I noticed others doing (without the put-downs, digressions etc. that are so common elsewhere) that got me to join and participate in this forum in the first place.

Usually ends up shortening the thread, though...however, I'm pretty sure someone will figure a way to find a new tangent to take this one on...watch it end up at least two pages long! :hmm2:

 

Geez Cage, another flippant, vague and unhelpful answer... :bleh:

Seriously though great info, DC I know this is a little of a Slingblade-ish answer, but have you considered just using the drive through or another branch of the same bank without the scanners?

I know here in Florida the only places we are specifically prohibited from carrying is Schools and Courts. The signs at the front of businesses are not legally binding, although I understand your unwillingness to make a scene at the bank. Barring some sort of search procedure I just keep it quiet that I carry and assume that said business would be happy if I were to use my weapon in deterring a crime or bodily harm to any of their patrons or employees.

 

I know here in Florida the only places we are specifically prohibited from carrying is Schools and Courts. The signs at the front of businesses are not legally binding, although I understand your unwillingness to make a scene at the bank. Barring some sort of search procedure I just keep it quiet that I carry and assume that said business would be happy if I were to use my weapon in deterring a crime or bodily harm to any of their patrons or employees.

Not entirely correct brother. Airports past security, any federal building (post offices too), and bars.

Here's the real list:
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(12)(a) A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or firearm into: 1. Any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05;
2. Any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station;
3. Any detention facility, prison, or jail;
4. Any courthouse;
5. Any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom;
6. Any polling place;
7. Any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district;
8. Any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof;
9. Any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms;
10. Any elementary or secondary school facility or administration building;
11. Any career center;
12. Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;
13. Any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile;
14. The inside of the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or
15. Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.

(b) A person licensed under this section shall not be prohibited from carrying or storing a firearm in a vehicle for lawful purposes.
(c) This section does not modify the terms or conditions of s. 790.251(7).
(d) Any person who knowingly and willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
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You can see it directly at http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...pp_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.06.html

What's funny about that, and pointed out in the CCW class, banks are 'not' included in this. I do know the CCW officer did say if an institution wishes they can post a sign saying you may not enter with a firearm and you must obey it. This is another reason they did not want the open carry law to pass, as it may incite everyone to post signs prohibiting carry.

Oh and to clarify the bar part, you could go to a restaurant that serves alchohol, as long as you don't drink, and sit at a 'table' not within the bar area (no lounge tables, and not AT the bar itself regardless whether drinking).

I like Cage's ideas for storage, I once considered this... I think I'd go the welded strong box near the stock storage box (removing it) and under a side cover, no one would ever see it.

Mort

 

So, I just did a little more reading up on this. You could potentially be charged with criminal trespassing for disobeying the sign. It is petty but you could be. It would be a 4th degree misdemeanor punishable with 30 days in jail. I doubt you would ever get jail, probably just a fine. But unless you are acting like a fool, and you don't bring attention to yourself, I can't imagine you getting in trouble for it.


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Like our LEO friend stated, if no one notices then you're concealed and what does it matter to those that don't know?

Nothing. Life goes on...

As to signs, here in South Carolina, if the signs are not EXACTLY the correct size, posting height, exact language and posted location(s) (and almost none of them are) then they don't even legally exist for a CWP holder anyway. They only apply to those not legally allowed to carry.

I told you we'd find a new tangent to follow...

 

Yeah all I'm trying to do is avoid any conflict with the law, I appreciate you speaking out as an LEO.

Just being proactive here I was in Indiana where they had this body scanner in a bank and if you checked out clean they'd buzz you in.. pretty crazy stuff! I'm not a citizen yet (putting app in this year!) so I can't afford any conflicts with the law whatsoever.

All I want to achieve is follow laws and regulations without drama.

 

fence I have a small gun safe that has a cable that runs out of it. the safe is only large enough for one hangun to fit into and is very thin

 

You, sir, are awesome.

 

just a bad idea to store a firearm on a motorcycle.

 

Not unless there's a good solution for it.

 

Found this for ya Mullet... seems you're correct, but must leave if asked... still need to see the exact law but this is good info:

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Do "No Gun Signs" Have the Force of Law?
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]"NO"
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]"Handgunlaw.us highly recommends that you not enter a place that is posted "No Firearms" no matter what the state laws read/mean on signage. We recommend you print out the [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]No Guns = No Money Cards [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]and give one to the owner of the establishment that has the signage." As responsible gun owners and upholders of the 2nd Amendment we should also honor the rights of property owners to control their own property even if we disagree with them."
"No Firearm" signs in Florida have no force of law unless they are posted on property that is specifically mentioned in State Law as being off limits to those with a Permit/License to Carry. If you are in a place not specifically mentioned in the law that is posted and they ask you to leave, you must leave. If you refuse to leave then you are breaking the law and can be charged. Even if the property is not posted and you are asked to leave you must leave. Always be aware of the possibility that responding Police Officers who may have been called without your knowledge and may not know the laws on trespass etc. could arrest you even if you are within the law.

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found here: http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/florida.pdf
Mort
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MORTIKUS SHMORTIKUS


I'd expect at least a moderator to not turn it into a gun debate! tsk tsk tsk

How do you hide your gun Mort do you insert it rectally? Contribute something to this thread mister! :spank::spank::spank::spank::spank:
:stirpot:

 

MORTIKUS SHMORTIKUS


I'd expect at least a moderator to not turn it into a gun debate! tsk tsk tsk

How do you hide your gun Mort do you insert it rectally? Contribute something to this thread mister! :spank::spank::spank::spank::spank:
:stirpot:

I deleted my whole post as it may be incriminating. That being said I enjoy when someone offers some actual fact about local statutes... and without spiraling down the rabbit hole as I did before I deleted my whole response... you, sir, speculate far too much about my 'nether regions'... lol

Mort :cheers:

not unless there's a good solution for it. :d

+1

m

 

Haha Mort love ya man <3

I'll post pictures once Chopstick sends me the safe!

 

I live in Chicago area so we are not allowed to have guns here...only the ganstas and police

 

While this sounds like what I was referring to I would avoid these types.

http://www.center-of-mass.com/Store_InCarGunSafe.htm

I had one like this and easily busted it open.

If someone wants it bad enough they will get it. I guess that's the risk you accept when storing it.

While quite bulky the safe at walmart marketed under the Winchester name is about $59 if I remember correctly. Most handgun safes have bolt holes underneath. If you can route the cable lock in such a way that minimizes its exposure to bolt cutters that would be your best option.

I suppose you might be able to just bolt it to the inside of a hard saddle bag.

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How big of a gun are we talking? If the gun isn't too big, what about storing it under the seat? You could rig up some sort of holster to keep it from moving while riding. To quickly access it, you could do the seat pin mod. If you need to run to the bank, put it under the seat before you go so that no one sees it.

It's just a thought from outside the box